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updates on the bike after a summer of riding:

 

i’ve listed the mods i’ve done so far in the video highlights, but my favorite so far has definitely been the 16t front sprocket. beware, the sprocket specialist 15 and 16tooth do not have the correct mounting/stabilizing holes and will not work without modification.  you may want to add a link to the chain, i was able to get the correct amount of slack by just adjusting the rear wheel, but it’s not the best way – i’m just laaazy.

the exhaust is also a big favourite, even though it’s stupidly loud. there seems to be no way to have a quiet performance pipe on this thing and unmuffled it’s loud enough to be completely unrideable, even in a full-face helmet and with earplugs.

 

i would highly recommend scotchlite vinyl decals as well, they light up very, very brightly at night and i’ve had no problem with people seeing me. there are checker kits sold, and at $20 for a helmet kit it’s well worth it.

 

short vid of what it sounds like riding:

the mods begin

tons and tons of news, as you can surmise from the below video my bike runs. i’ve no time to write detailed updates at the moment, but wanted to throw up this video of my newly installed V8 SpeedSource full exhaust from DrATV. I think it sounds fantastic. Once I rejet the carb, replace the intake and put the bike back together, which will hopefully be by the end of the week, I will post a riding video for a better idea of the sound.

jet sizes

a user on the scootdawg forums listed the stock keihin jet numbers and measurements on the Deni PZ20 that comes stock on the scout. the original post is here, i will also repro it here in case of linkrot. i did not write this and would have contacted the author for permission to repost, but he posts on scootdawg as a guest. thanks very much for the info and if you have an issue with this being reposted please let me know and i would be glad to take it down.

Fine tuning the Fly Scout.« Thread Started on Dec 17, 2010, 6:11pm »


Well, I’ve experienced some lean fuel mixtures and also poor fuel delivery on the Fly Scout.

I removed the vapor canister, and plugged off the carb and intake fittings. The one way valve on the fuel tank vent was very restrictive so I purchased one from AutoZone for 3 bucks and some change that flows twice as much air. I just let it hang down under the fuel tank, That has corrected the fuel delivery.

The carb is a Deni 20mm. I have experimented with main and pilot jets to see what would work to eliminate the bog between 40 and 50 MPH. The stock jets were main = 82 and the pilot = 35. I removed the cap over the idle mixture screw in order to adjust it.

I have settled on a # 38 for the pilot jet and a # 90 for the main jet. I made a five mile run and all the bog is gone, it will accelerate smoothly from 40 to 50 and pull real good. The spark plug looks good as well. It is off white to a very light tan.

The idle is good and steady and it starts right up.

I have not tried to see what top speed is. I will put that off till next year and better weather. Its getting too bad to ride here. I know some of you ride in cold weather but I just can’t do it.

The replacement jets are…

Keihin round main jet small part # 99101-116

length-7mm
head dia.-5mm
thread dia.-3.9mm

Keihin slow jet

Part # N424-74C

length-28mm
head dia.-5mm
thread dia.-4.9mm

jetsrus has them

http://www.jetsrus.com/

more bodging

quick tip on the gascap: it will be ridiculously hard to remove the first time. i very nearly reached for a strap wrench, but was able to remove it by hand after some struggle. the actual tip is to apply mineral oil or some unused engine oil to the red rubber gasket on the gascap as pictured below. this will soften it up and make putting the gascap on and taking it off much easier.

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as you might guess the blue tank being off means that i’m working on my bike. owning to the oil leak problem on Helios’ bike i decided to work on my own while waiting for the replacement gaskets. with the lessons learned and plenty of practice on the other bike, this one came together on a matter of a few hours. uncrating, cleaning the brakes, lubing the axle, installing the front wheel, pulling and cleaning the tank, replacing the fuel and vacuum lines, fuel filter, flushing the fuel system, charging and installing the battery, checking compression, and replacing the sparkplug took about three or four hours of methodical and meditative work on a bright and crisp Saturday afternoon. the plug on this bike was nearly as bad as on the other one and poorly gapped. since i got the iridium NGKs i mentioned in the previous post i decided to use one straight away. it needed only a tiny adjustment as i would estimate it comes gapped at .05″.

on the red bike we replaced only the fuel lines and left the vacuum lines well enough alone. on this bike i decided to replace them all. partially because, even though there is nothing as corrosive as liquid gasoline flowing through them, they do conduct a bit of gasoline vapor, and being organic rubber they are prone to rot, cracking, UV, and other damage. this can be mitigated by using a protectant like 303 Aerospace, but tygon line is affordable, permanent and maintenance-free. note that all but one line can be replaced, that line leads from the evap canister’s largest connector to the carb. the reason it can’t be replaced is that the fitting on the evap is ½” and i cannot get 1/4″ tygon to stretch that much. if you can go ahead and replace the line.

another difference on this bike vs. the red one is that the wiring for the ancillary DOT front signals was pulled into the headcase, but not connected. the turn signal lights built into the headcase were also disconnected. no problem, just a quick removal of the headlight to expose 75% of the wiring on the bike, look for the green and orange cables not plugged into anything, and hook up the signals matching the cable colors.

since oil from the exhaust valve was an issue on the other one, i took the valve access covers off the engine on my bike as well. the intake looked fine, but when i removed the exhaust I saw the same thing i saw on the other bike:  a few teaspoonfuls of clean engine oil. fffffffuckfuckfuck… we’d have to replace the gaskets on this one as well and it wouldn’t idle and what the fuck. that’s what i get for being cheap and not buying from a dealer or buying a symba.

after a beer and a think i removed the four bolts covering the valvetrain for a better look. as soon as i removed the two bottom bolts i noticed that they were weeping oil. as i cranked the bike with the kickstart the bolts wept oil on each stroke. i also got a better view of the valves from this angle and saw that the exhaust valve was perfectly clean, so the oil was just coming from the valvetrain and these top bolts. i replaced the cover and tightened properly and there has been no more oil in the exhaust valvecap.

after putting the battery in, replacing the battery cover, affixing the spark plug boot, and putting the seat back on, i decided to bleed the fuel system. this is shown in the video embedded in the previous post around the 9 minute mark. this is actually very easy to do and isn’t mentioned frequently in the common maintenance writeups i’ve seen online.

what you need to do is place a pan under the float drain hose, or better yet lead it into a can or bottle, turn the petcock to ‘On’, and produce suction from the vacuum line. the best way to do this is just as in the video, with some fuel line attached to a syringe. By the way, the vacuum line on the carb is the line that goes directly up on the left side of the bike next to where the throttle cable enters the carb:

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disconnect the existing line and replace with the syringe/fuel line tool you’ve just made. i used a “flavor injector” syringe that came with some marinade. it was long ago pitched in a drawer and forgotten, but it worked perfectly since the end has a threaded female connector just a tiny bit smaller than the tygon line. i’ll amend this with a picture if i remember to take it. if using a syringe make sure to take out the plunger and lightly lubricate the rubber with mineral oil or clean engine oil. replace the plunger and push it all the way in to prepare for use.

i suppose if you have a bulb-type pump for transferring fuel you could plug one side, compress the bulb, put the other end on the vacuum connector and release the bulb, but this would be cumbersome. figure something out to produce negative pressure on the vacuum line, but since it will contain fuel fumes it’s not recommended you use your mouth.

whatever you are using, attach it where the vacuum line normally lives, unscrew the float bowl drain screw (on the left side of the bike on the carb, directly to the right and behind the petcock, open the petcock, and get the suction going on the vacuum end by slowly pulling the plunger out. you should see fuel flow through the lines into the bottom of the carb and trickle out of the float drain hose. if the trickle stops pretty quickly, disconnect the syringe from the vacuum nipple, push the plunger back in, reconnect and repeat. once a few ounces have drained and the fuel is a consistent color without any visible dirt you can close the float bowl drain by twisting the screw all the way in. as always, only use hand tools for adjusting or working with the carb. overtightening this screw to the point of breaking or stripping it would be shitty as it’s the easiest way to flush the fuelsystem as well as prepare your bike for storage as mentioned in the previous post.

this is also a great way to remove air bubbles from the fuel line and saturate a fresh fuel filter after replacement.

bodging

the same day we received them we decided to at least do what the video showed, which was easy enough. Helios’ bike would be the spacemonkey. he agreed because his bike would be done first, i agreed because we could make all the mistakes and do all the learning on his bike and not mine. the wheel went on easily, and although he doesn’t mention it, i added some additional lithium grease to the surface of the front wheel axle prior to putting it in.

the footpeg/sidestand requires that you thread it over the rear brake pedal and actually seems to depress it somewhat. while it doesn’t seem to apply the rear brakes we’ll have to see once we’re riding.

with that done we had a few [more] beers and called it a night.

oh yeah, tools. everything we would need i either already had or ordered from harbor freight. when i contacted fly about a service manual the told me a standard chinascoot manual would be the only thing i need. obviously this is horseshit, but i bought that and a honda cub all years manual. between the two and google-fu i hope i’ll be able to figure most things out. you’ll need, at the least:

  • gloves. for the same price as a single set of mechanix gloves, which i find too thick, you can but about a 1000 nitrile gloves. the sort costco has seem to be best as they are very durable, super-thin, fine for latex sensitive people, and they have little grippy bumps on each finger. i’m very finicky about what’s on my hands, to the extent that i cannot even use lotion. if i can comfortably wear and use nitrile gloves for an hour or two at a time, anyone can. you might think you’re being especially manly or a real mechanic by getting your hands and nails dirty, but the truth of the matter is that used motor oil is a carcinogen, as are most solvents, as is gasoline. in combination with one another who knows what this shit will do to you. your skin is a permeable membrane and there is plenty of shit that does not cleanly wash off even though it might look like it and the next time you eat, drink, or smoke, it’s going straight in your mouth.
  • a set of metric and standard box-end /open end wrenches
  • a set of sockets, metric and standard (cheap shit is ok, but if you intend to work on cars or larger machinery better tools don’t break and will server longer, many people prefer craftsman brand as they will replace whatever you break forever)
  • 3/8ths ratchet is enough, nothing is that high-torque here, an extension is vital, i haven’t run into anything that requires a u-joint yet
  • feeler gauge for checking plug, valve, brake clearance, etc
  • scissors
  • zipties – buy a pack as they will get you out of general jams and you will specifically use them in place of retaining collars/hoseclamps on fuel and vacuum lines
  • torque wrench (i got a 1/2″ from harbor freight as i tighten the lugs on my car and suspension parts with it too)
  • set of unmarred screwdrivers (if yours are rounded then stop butchering screws and buy a new set)
  • pliers or leatherman, long needlenose make removing buried hoseclamps much easier
  • sparkplug wrench, a 5/8ths deep-socket
  • WD-40 or PB Blaster penetrating spray
  • spray chain lube (black oil works great, it sprays as a 10w oil, then sets in a few minutes to a black 600w grease)
  • degreaser (i recommend simplegreen as it’s non-toxic and will not kill you dead should you get it on your skin)

next time we got to more serious ish… one tip that serves well is keeping a clean(ish) workspace and keeping track of all the hardware you remove. the easiest way is to keep some sandwich bags or ziplocks and a sharpie nearby. for example, when you remove the legshield put all the hardware in a single bag and label it whatever makes sense to you. maybe “legshield”.

cracking the headset cover open (by removing the headlight and a couple of screws on either side), most of the wiring is exposed. we were pleasantly surprised to see that the electrics are actually very good quality. instead of using the supercheap molex connectors or something even worse the flyscooters guys spent the extra time and money on having every connector be well-crimped and attached and the connector types are all the kind that positively lock! super-sweet as we won’t have to replace any of them or silicone them. there is no way one of these connectors would shake loose.

we took off the legshield, the pillion seat and the front seat to expose the carb, engine, vacuum and fuel lines. to make working on the lines and under the tank easier remove the battery and battery compartment:

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take a picture before doing this so you know which wires should be tucked in and which should be outside the frame. when putting this back together i had to refer to the other bike to see how this was supposed to be. the gastank is under the front seat and can be removed by taking out the four 10mm bolts in pairs on either side of the oblong tank. you will need to remove the tank to replace the fuel lines. speaking of which, the lines appear to be pretty good quality, but since we have the french stuff we might as well replace at least the fuel line if not necessarily the vacuum line. do not throw away the old fuel line, it’s handy when you clean the tank.

the fuel line seemed like a pain in the ass to take out as it, along with everything else that runs from the front of the bike to the middle or back, goes through a single rubber-grommeted hole no more that an inch and a half in diameter. the hole is at the bottom front of the seat/tank bottom. it’s tight quarters in here, even with the tank and battery box removed.

trust me on this: just rip the fuel line out. don’t be a bear about it, but don’t be afraid to just yank it out. it will put up a fight since it’s rubber next to a bunch of other rubber hoses and cables in a rubber grommet. since the new line is tygon it will just slide through.

take the fuel line off the carb and pull it out through the grommet. cut new line slightly longer than existing line and replace the fuelfilter while you’re at it. protip: use a little 3-in-1 oil or mineral oil or motor oil to ease getting the hoses on. dip a toothpick in oil, wipe it on the rim of the container, then swirl it around the inside of the line end that you’re working with. once the line is on, crimp it with a zip tie just behind the shoulder of the barb:

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pull the line up through the grommet and into where the old line was.

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while we were here we replaced the vacuum line that was here as well. it connects to the vent in the top of the fueltank and ruins to what i think is an evap canister of some sort. if i ever find out what it is i will update the previous sentence to look less of a numpty.

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when removing the front of the chain guard (below and in front of the voltage regulator) we found that there was a frayed electrical cable running into the gearbox. this could be from poor assembly or wearing through because of vibration in transit, or both. i didn’t take a pic before fixing it, but we wrapped the frayed inner wire ends around a new wire, soldered everything together, electrical taped  the individual cable and the whole strand as well as re-situating the cable bundle in the grommet.

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incidentally, the chain appears to be very stout, well lubricated, and good quality.

the tank should be the last thing you do before you start up the bike. once it is degreased if it does not have a layer of oil or gasoline it will start rusting right away. originally i was planning to use muriatic acid to etch the tank and remove absolutely everything inside the tank. unfortunately this probably isn’t the best idea as

a) muriatic acid is hydrochloric acid

b) it’s caustic enough that it is used to etch cement

c) the scout has a float in the gas tank that registers how full it is

i was afraid that the tank level widget would be damaged by acid, so i decided to go with a much milder solution of simplegreen degreaser after looking in the tank with a flashlight.  it just looked like dark-ish lightweight grease and nothing more. in all honesty you could probably just clean this out by agitating a quarter gallon of gasoline in the tank for a few minutes and pouring it out. the way to do this is to recycle your old fuel line. grab a few inches of one end and pinch it just like a gardenhose (make a loop and crush the bend) and secure with a ziptie. this will be the hose you attach to the bottom tank outlet and should be at least six inches long to make draining the tank easier. the other such hose will attach to the top outlet and can be any length – two or three inches is more than enough. crimp it the same was as the other one. there is no need to crimp the  fuel line to the connectors as the line will stay well enough on its own.

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again, you can probably get away with just swirling gasoline in the tank, then pouring it out, then filling the tank at least half full. i used about half a cup of simplegreen and a cup of hot water, shook the tank and flipped it upside down a bunch for about ten minutes. loosen and remove the zipties on the bottom outlet hose, remove the gascap, dispose of the liquid responsibly, which for me meant the sink. simplegreen claims to be nontoxic but if you want to be sure sure it doesn’t end up back in your water you should pour this into the same plastic container you pour your used oil into and have your local autoparts store dispose of it for you. most larger ones have an oil recycling or disposal program. after flushing with water, add more water after clamping both hoses, shake for a few minutes and drain again. pour in a quarter tank of gasoline and shake again. in this case ethanol/”oxygenated” gasoline will actually be good (the only time it is) because the ethanol will absorb the water. this time DO mind where you pour the gasoline. down the sink will make your house stink and may destroy your pipes, again the waste oil container is a good idea. after draining this gasoline out, connect the tank to the fuel line, lubricate the inside of the cable if it doesn’t go on easily, then crimp it with a zip tie behind the barb of the connector. fill the tank at least half full immediately with fresh gas. any gasoline aside from e85 should be fine. once i’ve got a few miles under my belt i’ll mention what it runs best on.

as always be sure to use 1oz of Stabil per gallon of fuel, ESPECIALLY IF YOUR STATE REQUIRES ETHANOL IN YOUR GAS. ethanol is a political additive, not a functional one. even in 10% “oxygenated” gasoline it reduces fuel efficiency, increases wear on all rubber lines and gaskets, is unkind to carbs and on top of that it starts to varnish in large amounts after just 30 days. if left in the floatbowl and undrained many people in ethanol-using states report their bikes are hard to start within as little as a few days and within two weeks many people report having to clean their carb. even with stabil, it’s a best practice to close the petcock and drain the floatbowl if the bike will sit for more than a day or two without starting. to drain the float on the scout, use a small flathead screwdriver to turn out the only screw on the left of the carb. it is below and to the right of the petcock. it drains out through the vacuum line attached to the front of the transmission case that leads down. a few drips and drabs of fuel will come out, no more than a teaspoon. you can keep it open as long as you remember to tighten it before riding again, or you can tighten it after the initial drain, there’s not much more fuel that can come out and it should be enough to protect the bike from shit fuel for at least a week or two of standing.

with all this done we decided it was time to fire up the bike. earlier in the week i filled the battery with acid , sealed and tamped the battery lid down and set it on a battery minder. this process is shown in the genuine dealer prep movie, along with other tips useful for any small engine mechanic. there is also a great and simple procedure for flushing the fuel system around the 9 minute mark:

as soon as the key was in the neutral light came on, the horn sounded when pressed, as did the turn signals. the turn signal reminder is kind of annoying, but i’m not sure if i want to remove it. after all, bike turn signals are not self-canceling. the headlight, taillight, and signal lights don’t work when the engine is off. because it’s so much more manly i tried the kickstart first. the cylinder felt free and the kick was pretty easy, but no joy. ok, there’s an electric start so i hit that… still nothing. a quick look showed that there was air in the fuel line. i had not done the fuel flush as shown in the above video and there was a huge air bubble preventing the fuel from getting to the carb. my first instinct (as an idiot) was to take the fuel line off the carb and suck fuel in to start the flow. i went so far as removing the ziptie on the carb inlet and if the line were easier to remove i probably would have done it. instead i couldn’t get the line off for a few seconds and thought about what i was doing for a second, then opened the fueltank, sealed my lips around the fillhole and built enough pressure to get fuel in while cranking the bike.

IT STARTED!

after 5-10 seconds of cranking the electric start the bike started with the choke engaged. it ran rough and wouldn’t idle smoothly, but ran for maybe a minute or two. it was on the centerstand, so while it was idling i kicked it into first gear and the rear wheel slowly spun. on the ground it wouldn’t, but of course when up in the air there’s a whole lot less friction. the gears shifted freely up and down and although rough, the bike idled until we shut it off. the strange thing is that it seemed to lose power in the middle and almost die on the top end on top of being louder than i expected. after a minute or two of running i hit the kill switch and we celebrated with lou’s and more beer.

a week later, once it was warm enough, i wheeled the bike out to the parking lot and Helios came by for a quick shakedown ride.

again it wouldn’t start from a kick, but after a few seconds of cranking the electric start it fired up with the choke all the way out, but died after running for 10-15 seconds. on top of that, once i push in the choke the bike revs up 500-1000rpm without touching the throttle.

hmm… ok…

started it again while working the throttle and as it would die even with the choke out all the way.

alright, let’s try with some throttle and no choke.

no go.

alright, let’s check the choke because i had seen this video.

nope, fully actuates.

okay, maybe the idle is too low, even though it’s pretty loud already at idle without choke.

started it back up, adjusted the idle all the way up, and it still dies.

at this point it doesn’t even start with the choke or any amount of throttle. fearing the battery will soon die since we’ve cranked the bike 10-20 times with the electric start 5-10 seconds at a time. we try the kickstart a few dozen times to no avail.

hmmm… maybe it’s flooded? open he float drain, kick it a couple of times, all the fuel is clear… nothing doing.

eh… it’s getting dark and we’ve got somewhere to be and so, beaten, we wheel the bike back in the house and head off.

the next day i’m curious and decide to check the plug and the valve clearances. the plug is completely fouled and the gap is .4 instead of .6-.7mm. i cleaned the electrode with some emery cloth and gap it correctly. i checked the compression the analog way (finger over the plug hole) and using the electric start it easily blew my finger clear off, although it didn’t feel as strong as what i thought the puch felt. when i last did this almost a decade ago.

with the cleaned and gapped plug the bike starts easier but still runs rough and dies. when i remove the intake valve cover it looks ok, not burned or anything. removing the exhaust valve cover i discover something unexpected – oil. engine oil! what the fuck? well it seems like the headgasket is probably shot. i didn’t check the clearance, but that might be off, too.

i’ve ordered two gasket kits and two new iridium plugs, better to have extras. we’ll hopefully crack open the head and have a look later this week and the iridium plugs should provide a stronger spark and be longer lasting. since we’re waiting for parts for Helios’ bike I’ve uncrated mine and will work on it meanwhile. if all is well with it, i should be able to glean what the red one should run and sound like… oh, also, quite some time ago we made sure to remove the vinyl lettering on the side of Helios’ bike and it looks so much better. you can compare:

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a quick factlist for anyone who didn’t want to spend several hours googling:

  • the engine used in the scout is listed on the frame and in the manual as a 153FMH. i believe it’s actually a 1P52FMH. when the gasket kit i ordered comes in we’ll know for sure. it’s a [maybe] 52.4×49.5 bore x stroke and it’s actually 106.7CC and made by Lifan or ripped off by another manufacturer. when it comes to discerning what you’ve got this page is super useful. it comes as a single unit with the gearbox and sells for $250-350. since the bike has plenty of room under the underbone and is chain driven it’s feasible that a larger engine (125, 150 or maybe even more) can be fitted.
  • gasket kits, head kits, e.g. are available pretty easily. just make sure you search for the engine model and the bore matches
  • the carb is a Deli PZ20. another common part, but damned if there’s an exploded diagram anywhere.
  • standard plugs are A7RTC no-name brand. NGK is C7HSA for conventional, the iridium version is CR7HIX, gap is 0.6 – 0.7mm (per manual)
  • valve clearance is .03~.05mm (per manual)